Let's get CONTROVERSIAL, CONTROVERSIAL! Let me hear your morals talk...

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superflygirl	Let's get CONTROVERSIAL, CONTROVERSIAL! Let me hear your morals talk...		Lead	[-]
Administrator BB Staff Member Doctor of Jen-ology Posts: 29145 03/10/09 8:21 PM Taught Emme How To Give Tude '09 Beyond Bitchy '09 BB & OJF - you heard it here first.	Tags : None Did anyone else get that Olivia Newton-John reference? Timmy? lol Anyways, let's discuss important and controversial topics because we all know how much I love a good debate. Once we hate each other enough, we'll move on. But let's be legit - let's use some real facts and be all smart and edumacated about our discussions, okay? First up, I suggest...the DEATH PENALTY! I am against the death penalty, simply because it has been proven to be an ineffective deterrent to crime, which is what its supposed to be. Why have an institution in place if it doesn't even do the job its supposed to? In cases of serial murder, sexual assault, etc (the kinds of crime where you could be sentenced to death) the motives behind it are not really made with a rational mind, so the fear of the death penalty doesn't work. Also, state-ordered death is very archaic, IMO.
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Aint It Funny 27		#1	[url]	[-]
Doctor of Jen-ology Posts: 5613 03/10/09 9:53 PM I Wanna Be Like Jen	I got the Olivia Newton-John thingy! Oh and I'm very afraid of this thread... I'm for the death penalty. If I'm not mistaken, a lot of our tax money goes to keeping these criminals alive everyday. Why should we have to pay to keep them alive?
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Bachelor of Jen-ology Posts: 2373 03/10/09 10:02 PM Best Banner Producer '06	my thought is.. i think it would be worst to spend a whole life in prison, then to just die and have the agony gone. Then again we do pay to keep them there. Sooo lol im stuck
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superflygirl		#3	[url]	[-]
Administrator BB Staff Member Doctor of Jen-ology Posts: 29146 03/10/09 10:13 PM Taught Emme How To Give Tude '09 Beyond Bitchy '09 BB & OJF - you heard it here first.	Don't worry, Brooke! We're not 14 anymore! lol The number of people NOT sentenced to death far outweights the ones who are...they are more of a burden on taxpayers than death row inmates are. I don't know US numbers, but I know it costs about $80,000 a year to keep a Canadian offender in prison (but we don't have the death penalty so it doesn't matter). However, when people are diverted away from the corrections system (for crimes such as, say, drug possession and shoplifting) maintaining their status on parole/probation is about $20,000. By diverted away I mean drug treatment programs, community service, house arrest, etc. It's a well-documented fact that prison doesn't really act as a deterrent to crime, so the answer to successful law enforcement must lie somewhere else. And I think it puts a lot of God-like status on the penal system, like who gets to live and who gets to die? And after an offender is shot up with toxic drugs - then what? The victim was still victimized, society still harmed, and the satisfaction of watching someone die is only brief. It provides a short-term individual solution to a larger social problem, in my opinion.
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Master of Jen-ology Posts: 3555 03/10/09 10:46 PM Most likely to steal one of Jen's BIG ASS purses.	I ride the fence when it comes to this situation. I guess if it was just a Yes or No question, I would probably go against the Death Penalty.
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lillemon03		#5	[url]	[-]
Master of Jen-ology Posts: 3556 03/10/09 10:55 PM Most likely to steal one of Jen's BIG ASS purses.	And after an offender is shot up with toxic drugs - then what? The victim was still victimized, society still harmed, and the satisfaction of watching someone die is only brief. It provides a short-term individual solution to a larger social problem, in my opinion. True statement. You made me think of it in a different light. The quick death does give some sort of brief solution to the problem for the victim's family (and taxpayers) but it does not bring that victim back. I think it's a cowardly way to die. Although, I still ride the fence (for certain cases), I much rather see the offender have to live with what he did for the rest of his life than get out of it as what I call a "quick fix" death. Did I make sense? I'm half asleep. lol Last Edited By: lillemon03 03/10/09 11:05 PM. Edited 1 time.
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superflygirl		#6	[url]	[-]
Administrator BB Staff Member Doctor of Jen-ology Posts: 29152 03/11/09 12:21 AM Taught Emme How To Give Tude '09 Beyond Bitchy '09 BB & OJF - you heard it here first.	Haha yep, makes sense. And in a selfish light, why not keep some incorrigible criminals around and let us study them? It could totally be worth doing a case study on 4 or 5 pedophiles and coming up with some true treatment or awareness policies. I'd be willing to do my doctoral dissertation on it! lol
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Bachelor of Jen-ology Posts: 1993 03/11/09 1:56 AM BB'r Real Life Drama '08 BB'r Best Custom Title '09 BB'r Real Life Drama '09	I am for the death penalty. If you have murdered someone then you deserve to die. I sometimes believe they should die the way they killed their victims. But that's just me having a sick serial mind. I rather not have someone live in a jail cell for life, living and breathing, talking to other jail mates and having a good old time. When you can just eliminate their life right away. I mean, why waste time in keeping this person in jail for life? They are going to die eventually, so might as well do it now. As for person going into the death penalty and having a choice of meal before death is unnecessary. They don't deserve to eat Lobster, cake, whatever food they have requested. I can't sit there and have someone murder my mom, dad, sister, brother, girlfriend and have the person who killed my love of my life to eat, sleep, work out, take showers in a jail. I want that person dead. You can't ever replace my loved one. The ass who killed them deserve to be killed as well. I can't put myself in a person going into the death penalty. It brings goosebumps onto my skin. Knowing that you have a planned death is scary. I admit I am scared to die, just because I don't want to go to hell, or you never know what might happen after death. I do believe in reincarnation, but that's a total different topic. But yes, I agree with the death penalty.
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Didi		#8	[url]	[-]
Doctor of Jen-ology Posts: 4404 03/11/09 4:38 AM Lover of Lambchops '08	I was thinking a long time about this risently and I am for the death penalty. I wasnt there before, I had same thought as superflygirl, but it all erased me. In my country there is no death penalty and maximum jail sentence is 40 years, and that is becouse they dont have enough money to keep peaple in jail. So 40 years is for someone who killed, 10-15 years is for pedophiles, 3 years is for raping, etc. And those are max sentnces, in most cases they put them lighter, like you raped child and mother of the child you will get 3 years or so. Then after those 3 years that pedophile gets out of jail and do the same thing again, couse for next 3 years he will eat and sleep, people will take care of him and so he can do his nouthy things every 3 years if they cought him. From the other hand, young people that are in teens are very violently oriented, so they could think like: Ok Im 18, Ill kill that guy and when I get out Ill be 38 and still have my life, still I can do other crimes. I dont have to work, I can steal. so deffinetly Im for the death penlaty, couse they would be scared of death and wouldnt do it. and for people who did it and they are awear that they can get death row or life sentence deserve to be killed. and all people are awear of that, even when they are insane or whatever lawyers call it, they know that is wrong and they still did it. They let themselfs to snap so big that they can kill, and I think that peson shouldnt be alive
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BB Staff Member Master of Jen-ology Posts: 1838 03/11/09 8:15 AM \| Best Banner Creator '08 \| Best Banner Creator '09 \| Best At Random Fact Confirmation '09	I'm against death penalty for a few reasons. The first reason is that it's permanent. In most cases you just can't be 100% sure you got the right person convicted. For example in my country there was this guy interrogated for so long in such a way that his only way to finally be left alone was to confess something he simply didn't do. I don't know the exact details but he had been in prison for 15 years before they found evidence that he wasn't the murderer. In our country there's no death penalty but if there was he would have been death, it would have been permanent and wouldn't be able to get him back. Secondly i believe the costs to keep a murderer in prison is a fault of the government, a mismanagement. Let them do the shitty jobs without getting paid. Keeps them form isolation and lets them pay back their prison time. Prison life is just way to easy at least in our country, I read that they can even get a Playstation on their room for good behavior. That's really sick, while hard-working people who don't do crimes sometimes don't even have enough money to pay their own food. And i don't think murderers are that scared of death, killing is normally not really a rational choice, before they kill most of them don't over think the consequences and just do it.
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JenRox		#10	[url]	[-]
Administrator BB Staff Member Doctor of Jen-ology Posts: 31565 03/11/09 8:17 AM CEO of Perseverance is key. Jenn's Defense Lawyer '09	Yeah, I think the prison systems are a joke. But, I'm on the fence!
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Bachelor of Jen-ology Posts: 2212 03/11/09 5:04 PM 'The greatest joy in life is doing things people say you cannot do' "There are certain people that are marked for death already. I have my little list " Jen's Ghost Manager	I think the death penalty should be applied less frequently thasn it is. It should only be used for exceptional cases e.g. if the person is a serial killer then there realyis just no point spending the money keeping them alive. I dont think it should be applied as regularly as it is in the US because there is always a chance that the evidence could be wrong. I agree with Jess that watching the person die is only a temporary fix.
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Bachelor of Jen-ology Posts: 1673 03/11/09 7:10 PM I'm from around the way	Another thing is, we need to really find out if indeed the accused is actually guilty, because most of the time the ones being executed turn out to be innocent after all. For example, tonight in Florida, a young man is about to executed by lethal injection for a triple-murder that he's repeatedly claimed his innocence over. We don't really know if he's saying the truth or not, but he's not even given the chance to at least defend himself. I, for one, believe the death penalty should be applied only to those who show no remorse whatsoever for their grisly crimes, or repeat offenders of serious crimes (rape, murder, kidnapping, etc..). I think instead of the death penalty, they should just repeatedly torture these heartless criminals, just to give them a taste of their own medicine. And regardless of all that, I still believe in vigilante justice. In this flawed justice system of ours, sometimes you have to take the law into your own hands, esp to protect yourself and your loved ones, when your safety and theirs are in peril.
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Administrator BB Staff Member Doctor of Jen-ology Posts: 31592 03/12/09 8:06 AM CEO of Perseverance is key. Jenn's Defense Lawyer '09	most of the time the ones being executed turn out to be innocent after all That's not true, lol. People who are convicted to death get a ton of appeals before they are executed. Of course they're going to claim innocence. It's the only way they'll get out. I agree, though, that it should probably be reserved for the worst criminals. Repeat serious offenders (murder, rape), gruesome crimes, crimes against children, etc.
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Bachelor of Jen-ology Posts: 1675 03/12/09 12:57 PM I'm from around the way	^ true, but there have been cases where regardless that the accused was maintaining their innocence and that there was evidence that came to light later on that proved that person wasn't the perp, that person was still put to death, simply cuz the evidence presented was too late in the case. I've seen various cases happen like that. And yes, most of the time, the ones being executed usually turn out not to be the criminal after all. In fact, after they were already executed, the courts would show the new evidence, or someone else would finally confess, all when it's already too late. Various cases have happened like that, you just need to research them. And again, instead of the death penalty, there should a torture penalty. If they were willing to do it on the terrorists at Gitmo, why not on heartless, soulless criminals that would truly deserve it? Last Edited By: Cha602 03/12/09 1:00 PM. Edited 1 time.
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xCrazyFOJLOx		#15	[url]	[-]
Bachelor of Jen-ology Posts: 2010 03/12/09 1:29 PM BB'r Real Life Drama '08 BB'r Best Custom Title '09 BB'r Real Life Drama '09	Torture them like in the old mid evil times haha
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Administrator BB Staff Member Doctor of Jen-ology Posts: 31614 03/12/09 2:07 PM CEO of Perseverance is key. Jenn's Defense Lawyer '09	130 people have been exonerated (http://www.deathpenaltyin...cence-and-death-penalty) out of the thousands on death row. MUCH less than the majority.
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Administrator BB Staff Member Doctor of Jen-ology Posts: 24756 03/12/09 4:12 PM Beyond Bitchy. BB Night Patrol max's detective partner '09 most likely to stowaway on jen's tour bus '09 admin most likely to accidentally delete the entire board '09	And I think it puts a lot of God-like status on the penal system, like who gets to live and who gets to die? This is the ONLY reason why I'm against the death penalty. Don't get me wrong, I agree that people should not have little 'treats' like PS2's or whatever but I still don't believe that the government has the right to end a life. Who do we think we are? Sure, the ones who did the killings don't have that right either but they did it already. I think something a bit harsher than jail for several years should be their punishment. Though, not something too harsh that it would fuck with their minds and get them to do hang themselve in their cell. and LMAO @ us hating each other and then moving on to the next topic.
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Aint It Funny 27		#18	[url]	[-]
Doctor of Jen-ology Posts: 5620 03/13/09 11:17 AM I Wanna Be Like Jen	JenRox wrote: I agree, though, that it should probably be reserved for the worst criminals. Repeat serious offenders (murder, rape), gruesome crimes, crimes against children, etc. i agree with that. i wish the process for these people would move a little faster though. so ummm, next topic?
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Administrator BB Staff Member Doctor of Jen-ology Posts: 24787 03/13/09 3:21 PM Beyond Bitchy. BB Night Patrol max's detective partner '09 most likely to stowaway on jen's tour bus '09 admin most likely to accidentally delete the entire board '09	Reincarnation? I believe in that.
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Bachelor of Jen-ology Posts: 2027 03/13/09 3:54 PM BB'r Real Life Drama '08 BB'r Best Custom Title '09 BB'r Real Life Drama '09	Call me crazy, but I believe in Reincarnation. I have these psychic abilities and I can see what I was in my past life. And from what I've seen in my vision and dreams in my past life I was a young African boy living in an African tribe somewhere in Africa. I was a young warrior, and I was kind-hearted and did not want to kill animals for food or clothing. And the way I died was from gun shots from another tribe. I can picture it in my mind. I was adventurous (as what I am today) and I was curious in many things.....it's weird but I believe we even live as animals as well. I don't think we just end life and that's it. I see it as we have a reason in our life. To help other people, etc. Maybe in my next life I will be a break dancer. I have seen it in dreams and visions. I cant dance to save my life now, but in my next life I see myself being a break dancer. LOL im a pretty interesting BB member I must say haha
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